Common Dreams: The Truth about ACORN's Voter Registration Drive
This is a very informative article.
For example, having to turn in all applications you collect makes sense. Otherwise, those registering voters could toss aside those registrations they don't like without penalty. Read the article and you'll see what I mean.
Here's the link.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/10/10
For example, having to turn in all applications you collect makes sense. Otherwise, those registering voters could toss aside those registrations they don't like without penalty. Read the article and you'll see what I mean.
Here's the link.
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2008/10/10
It's interesting to me that this blog seems to excuse attempted voter fraud while condemning a few overheard phone calls.
Here is someone else's truth about ACORN.
http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/the-complete-guide-to-acorn-voter-fraud/
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How is posting a third party rebuttal to accusations of voter fraud excusing voter fraud?
What overheard phone calls?
If you'll look in the comments to your own link, you'll see many of the arguments made in my own posting.
Voter suppression via caging lists, improper voting machine distribution, and purging of voter rolls have had a much greater effect on recent elections than so-called voter fraud. Read Armed Madhouse.
If you want to be incensed about something, be incensed that voter registration drives are necessary to get people to do something they should be breaking down doors to be able to do.
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You seem to be supporting ACORN and it's tactics and methods. Am I reading that correctly?
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You seem to be opposing ACORN and it's tactics and methods. Am I reading that correctly?
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I asked this blog to clarify it’s position on a current issue. It could have responded yes, no or I don’t want to talk about it. Instead, the response was a verbal trick followed by references to guilt, manipulation and bullying.
Eligible voters who want to vote should be encouraged to register and vote. Second graders, dead people and non-citizens need not apply. At best, Acorn has woefully inadequate administrative and managerial quality controls. At worst, it is an arm of one political party unlawfully influencing election results.
That is my answer to your question. I invite this blog to answer mine.
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Patrick, I'm not sure what your question actually is, since the only thing accompanied by a question mark is the phrase "am I reading that correctly?" You made a statement in your first posting, included a link to a partisan site, and Larry responded. Was that your question?
ACORN may have employees that perform their duties badly, but are you suggesting that their personal failings reflect the intent and policy of the entire organization? If you are, then you are participating in the common practice these days of painting with a broad brush.
We don't know if ACORN is guilty of anything, or if some of their volunteers deliberately falsified documents. The worst can be assumed of individuals, and we can also question those who are supervising them, but until there is a thorough investigation, all is speculation.
As Larry mentioned earlier, there have been many allegations in previous elections, later proven, about actions taken by government officials to improperly remove properly eligible voters from the roles in key states. The Republican Secretary of State in Colorado has removed this year about 20% of the voter roles, with minimal explanation. Here in California, a right-wing group, claiming to seek signatures outside stores on a petition for a ballot proposition were actually using those signatures to change the party affiliations of the signers to "Republican." This has happened just in the past few weeks. The state is investigating. Do we blame these people as "arms of one political party unlawfully influencing election results" or do we broaden it to the entire group calling themselves "Republicans"? Proper consideration focuses on the perpetrators themselves first. If a larger policy being mandated from a corporate entity is at the heart of it all, it requires further investigation and sanction, but we start with the perpetrators first.
And Patrick, here are my questions for you: after investigations, if the right-wing group is found guilty, will you then denounce them, and if ACORN is found innocent, will you then support them?
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You seem to be supporting ACORN and it's tactics and methods. Am I reading that correctly?
I asked this blog for clarification on this issue. I invite the blog to respond.
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Patrick,
I consider your question to be insulting and manipulative.
Jerry's made many of the points I would have made.
If you would care to re-phrase the question, I'll consider it.
Larry
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Jerry,
Good commentary.
Larry
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